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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 9, 2021 19:32:06 GMT -5
Yup. I am disgusted with the racist narrative that BLM in their fight for basic civil rights is anywhere near equivalent to white supremacists attempting to overthrow democracy. Is it ok to think that violence and public/private property destruction is bad no matter who’s doing it? Coz I think it’s bad no matter what political views someone has...🤷♀️
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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 9, 2021 22:54:12 GMT -5
Yup. I am disgusted with the racist narrative that BLM in their fight for basic civil rights is anywhere near equivalent to white supremacists attempting to overthrow democracy. Is it ok to think that violence and public/private property destruction is bad no matter who’s doing it? Coz I think it’s bad no matter what political views someone has...🤷♀️ Context matters. It’s like comparing the Twisted Tea guy to a strong-arm robber because “violence is wrong.”
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Post by emmjay on Jan 9, 2021 23:37:32 GMT -5
The only reason women have the right to vote today is because of women from 100 years ago who threw bricks through windows and put pipe bombs in mailboxes and provoked the authorities and destroyed property. Just asking nicely didn’t get them anywhere. The fight for justice usually involves violence somewhere, because the ruling faction doesn’t want to give up any power. That is not comparable to brainwashed morons storming the Capitol and trying to overthrow the government.
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Post by stellarfeller on Jan 10, 2021 1:02:13 GMT -5
What was it that John Lewis said? Good trouble, I think?
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 10, 2021 10:06:30 GMT -5
Is it ok to think that violence and public/private property destruction is bad no matter who’s doing it? Coz I think it’s bad no matter what political views someone has...🤷♀️ Context matters. It’s like comparing the Twisted Tea guy to a strong-arm robber because “violence is wrong.” My friend has his office burned and destroyed in Minneapolis this summer. He is an immigrant and was the only Medicaid dental provider in his zip code. Where are those kids going to go now for treatment? The videos from the security company show folks breaking in the windows, looting his electronics and then burning it. How does that help anyone or anyone’s community? He said he won’t open that location again, he’s moving to somewhere safer.
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Post by shaena on Jan 10, 2021 10:51:03 GMT -5
Context matters. It’s like comparing the Twisted Tea guy to a strong-arm robber because “violence is wrong.” My friend has his office burned and destroyed in Minneapolis this summer. He is an immigrant and was the only Medicaid dental provider in his zip code. Where are those kids going to go now for treatment? The videos from the security company show folks breaking in the windows, looting his electronics and then burning it. How does that help anyone or anyone’s community? He said he won’t open that location again, he’s moving to somewhere safer. You are still doing "whataboutism" here. The situations are NOT in anyway comparable. What happened Wednesday was treasonous insurrection. An overthrow of democracy because they want to install their chosen "king".
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 10, 2021 10:57:20 GMT -5
My friend has his office burned and destroyed in Minneapolis this summer. He is an immigrant and was the only Medicaid dental provider in his zip code. Where are those kids going to go now for treatment? The videos from the security company show folks breaking in the windows, looting his electronics and then burning it. How does that help anyone or anyone’s community? He said he won’t open that location again, he’s moving to somewhere safer. You are still doing "whataboutism" here. The situations are NOT in anyway comparable. What happened Wednesday was treasonous insurrection. An overthrow of democracy because they want to install their chosen "king". I’m not comparing the two reasons, I’m saying that I think no matter the reason or political persuasion that violence is wrong. I don’t think the twisted tea guy should’ve punched the other guy out either. 🤷♀️ That guy was a completely tool but words are words and physical assault is physical assault. Words are words. People can say whatever they want. If I punched out everyone who’d ever made a derogatory comment to me about being a Jew id probably have a long rap sheet by now.. I don’t think violence is the solution No matter what. I actually think oftentimes nowadays it’s quite detrimental to the cause. How many people associate the entire BLM movement with fires and looting now? Where are those kids going to go for their dental treatment now that there isn’t a provider nearby?
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Post by shaena on Jan 10, 2021 11:10:22 GMT -5
Of course violence is wrong, no one is disputing that.
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 10, 2021 11:20:52 GMT -5
Of course violence is wrong, no one is disputing that. Ok coz my question literally said “is it ok to think violence is wrong no matter which side it comes from” and then someone else pointed out twisted tea guy so 🤷♀️
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Post by justthinking on Jan 10, 2021 12:19:48 GMT -5
My friend has his office burned and destroyed in Minneapolis this summer. He is an immigrant and was the only Medicaid dental provider in his zip code. Where are those kids going to go now for treatment? The videos from the security company show folks breaking in the windows, looting his electronics and then burning it. How does that help anyone or anyone’s community? He said he won’t open that location again, he’s moving to somewhere safer. You are still doing "whataboutism" here. The situations are NOT in anyway comparable. What happened Wednesday was treasonous insurrection. An overthrow of democracy because they want to install their chosen "king". This, and I just can't muster the energy to comment further.
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 10, 2021 12:36:24 GMT -5
You are still doing "whataboutism" here. The situations are NOT in anyway comparable. What happened Wednesday was treasonous insurrection. An overthrow of democracy because they want to install their chosen "king". This, and I just can't muster the energy to comment further. It was an example that violence from any side of the political spectrum is in my opinion generally unproductive and may actually damage the cause. I didn’t equate it with storming the capitol. 🤷♀️
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Post by momof3b1g on Jan 10, 2021 13:21:54 GMT -5
This, and I just can't muster the energy to comment further. It was an example that violence from any side of the political spectrum is in my opinion generally unproductive and may actually damage the cause. I didn’t equate it with storming the capitol. 🤷♀️
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 10, 2021 14:34:56 GMT -5
It was an example that violence from any side of the political spectrum is in my opinion generally unproductive and may actually damage the cause. I didn’t equate it with storming the capitol. 🤷♀️ Neither of those protests appear violent to me whatsoever in either of those images... 🤷♀️ I think Colin Kapernick is extremely brave.
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Post by stellarfeller on Jan 10, 2021 14:51:07 GMT -5
What might have happened if a group of heavily armed black men had staged a protest on the steps of what appears to be a government building?
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Post by Peanut on Jan 10, 2021 14:52:28 GMT -5
Neither of those protests appear violent to me whatsoever in either of those images... 🤷♀️ I think Colin Kapernick is extremely brave. To my eyes, there is an inferred and implied degree of violence any time I see large groups of heavily armed individuals who are not on a shooting range, especially when said group are all facing in one direction. Your mileage obviously varies.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Jan 10, 2021 15:06:09 GMT -5
If Biden stood in front of a Target to give a speech and said go in there and fight, it might be comparable to what Trump did at the Capitol....
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Post by Tpatt100 on Jan 10, 2021 15:07:09 GMT -5
What might have happened if a group of heavily armed black men had staged a protest on the steps of what appears to be a government building?
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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 10, 2021 18:46:53 GMT -5
Context matters. It’s like comparing the Twisted Tea guy to a strong-arm robber because “violence is wrong.” My friend has his office burned and destroyed in Minneapolis this summer. He is an immigrant and was the only Medicaid dental provider in his zip code. Where are those kids going to go now for treatment? The videos from the security company show folks breaking in the windows, looting his electronics and then burning it. How does that help anyone or anyone’s community? He said he won’t open that location again, he’s moving to somewhere safer. Yes, there are definitely awful unintended consequences. It doesn’t change the issue, though. The entire purpose of the Capitol invasion was to stage a coup. The entire purpose of BLM marches is to obtain civil rights. The Twisted Tea guy didn’t hit until he dropped his tea and the racist guy kicked at him. It is not comparable to randomly hitting someone with a malt beverage.
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Post by momof3b1g on Jan 10, 2021 21:04:12 GMT -5
Neither of those protests appear violent to me whatsoever in either of those images... 🤷♀️ I think Colin Kapernick is extremely brave. My point was every "peaceful" way was blocked, mocked, shamed. People started protesting because nothing was being done and the riots broke out because people felt they weren't being heard. It was happening day, after day, after day. Just one more dead POC who wasn't going to get justice. It was NOT political, it was personal - it IS personal.
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Post by villanelle on Jan 10, 2021 22:05:17 GMT -5
Violence to further civil rights, while still wrong, is very different than violence to overthrow a democratic election, for which there has been zero evidence--despite a desperate search for it--of any large scale wrong doing.
Violence for civil rights is not the same as violence to overthrow democracy.
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