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Post by Lor on Oct 21, 2017 11:44:50 GMT -5
Niqab-wearing Quebec women who want to ride the bus, visit the library, go for a medical check-up or meet with their child’s teacher are now legally required to uncover their faces while receiving provincial and municipal government services. Quebec’s National Assembly adopted Bill 62 Wednesday morning, a controversial law that is the Liberal government’s answer to a decade-long debate over the accommodation of religious minorities in the province. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The government says that it's a simple matter of communication, identification and security. others say it's religious intolerance. What do you think? |
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Post by Wise Old Goat on Oct 21, 2017 11:51:57 GMT -5
I'm so disgusted by this I don't even know where to begin. There is no way this stands up to a Charter appeal and I don't know why the federal government hasn't slapped this down.
I saw a video of a bus driver pull up to a stop yesterday holding a mask up to his own face. All the people at the stop were white women wearing scarves on their faces in protest.
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Post by Lor on Oct 21, 2017 12:25:18 GMT -5
I'm so disgusted by this I don't even know where to begin. There is no way this stands up to a Charter appeal and I don't know why the federal government hasn't slapped this down. I saw a video of a bus driver pull up to a stop yesterday holding a mask up to his own face. All the people at the stop were white women wearing scarves on their faces in protest. I agree with you 100%, I think it's horrible. I do understand the need for identification in security situations (IE a *safe zone* for airport security with women employees perhaps?) but the general sweep of banning religious garb for the duration of services is deplorable and it feels like they've found a way to justify religious intolerance. Some people are arguing that Muslim women that wear the burka or niqab are being forced to do so by male family members will actually be grateful for this ruling as they will no longer be oppressed, I personally believe that removing a woman's right to choose is the opposite of liberation. |
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Post by Wise Old Goat on Oct 21, 2017 12:27:39 GMT -5
Yeah forcing a woman to take off clothing that another man forced her to wear isn't liberation
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Post by Lor on Oct 21, 2017 12:31:51 GMT -5
Yeah forcing a woman to take off clothing that another man forced her to wear isn't liberation Exactly. |
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Post by mare on Oct 21, 2017 12:56:57 GMT -5
What's the background behind this? Is there a lot of Muslim disdain in Quebec?
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Post by Truffles on Oct 21, 2017 14:54:23 GMT -5
What's the background behind this? Is there a lot of Muslim disdain in Quebec? It's not a ban on burka/niqab. It's a ban on masking. |
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Post by Mamapalooza on Oct 21, 2017 15:18:27 GMT -5
There goes Quebec, being all different again.
Trudeau is not going to do anything but sit back and let this play out in the legislature and/ or the courts. He is not going to risk the much-needed Quebec vote by appearing to interfere in a provincial matter, which the federal NDP have yet to learn.
I’m more disgusted by the sight of a women in a full body burqa than by the bill, but I don’t believe it’s going to accomplish what they think it will. Too many people are willing to defend it as a matter of free choice, even those women pressured or forced to wear it. And it comes down to we DO have a choice, disgusting or not. But please, let’s not pretend that Iranian women made a wholesale collective decision in 1979 to throw away their miniskirts in favour of the burqa. That never happened.
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Post by stellarfeller on Oct 21, 2017 16:35:35 GMT -5
I live in a city with a large Muslim population. I’ve seen plenty of niqabis. I have never once seen a woman wearing a burqa.
And I’ll be interested to see if somebody wearing a scarf over their face in the winter will be denied permission to board a bus in Montreal.
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Post by justthinking on Oct 21, 2017 19:55:38 GMT -5
I live in a city with a large Muslim population. I’ve seen plenty of niqabis. I have never once seen a woman wearing a burqa. And I’ll be interested to see if somebody wearing a scarf over their face in the winter will be denied permission to board a bus in Montreal. Good point. If this is really about masking the face it will have repercussions for a lot of riders in the winter. |
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Post by Lor on Oct 21, 2017 20:04:26 GMT -5
I live in a city with a large Muslim population. I’ve seen plenty of niqabis. I have never once seen a woman wearing a burqa. And I’ll be interested to see if somebody wearing a scarf over their face in the winter will be denied permission to board a bus in Montreal. There are areas of Montreal where it's not uncommon to see women wearing a burqa, there is a very solid chance that those women will no longer leave their home because of this situation. If they are indeed being forced upon women they or they husbands aren't going to say "Oh ok, let's scrap this way of life because of this change", instead the women will become prisoners in their own homes. Given the climate in certain areas it won't shock me if this just turns into an excuse for ignorant people to further ostracize the Muslim community. I'd bet money that nobody will make an issue out of someone wearing a hat and scarf to cover up for winter. |
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Post by stellarfeller on Oct 21, 2017 21:05:07 GMT -5
Yup. Not just ostracize, but demonize. There’s a political scientist and Constitutional expert from U of Waterloo named Emmett MacFarlane; he has written an op-ed for the CBC about the unconstitutionality of this law, and you should see some of the alt-right, xenophobic, hateful tweets he’s gotten in response.
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Post by Katrina on Oct 21, 2017 22:20:21 GMT -5
I'm disgusted by it too. It's shameful. How is this going to liberate women? And the protection against crime argument is laughable as well. If a criminal wants to commit a crime, a burqa ban isn't going to stop them. Oh and don't get me started with the "If we visit a muslim country we must respect their laws" argument either. We are Canada and are welcoming and inclusive. This is why I love my country. But I'm ashamed of the Quebec government right now. I don't know how accurate this is, but I've also read that the number of women that actually wear a burqa in the province is less than 100. It all makes me sick.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 22, 2017 10:29:11 GMT -5
There is a sizable portion of the vocal left that wants the head coverings banned because its supporting a sexist culture. Only problem is banning the head covering doesn’t really change anything about the sexist culture that requires it in the first place
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