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Post by Sprockey on Oct 25, 2017 8:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 25, 2017 8:17:23 GMT -5
Is there any merit to her views?
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 25, 2017 9:31:52 GMT -5
I don’t even have to take a survey but I can safely assume 99 percent of kids have no idea who created the math they are learning about
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Post by RichB on Oct 25, 2017 9:34:41 GMT -5
It is getting really hard to distinguish news from the Onion anymore.
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Post by kimm on Oct 25, 2017 10:04:44 GMT -5
This seems utterly ridiculous. It also seems insulting to non-whites.
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 25, 2017 10:21:48 GMT -5
I'd like to read whatever she wrote first. But, I'm not buying a book to get context Anyway, every culture uses math and was developed in the Middle East, Asia and Europe. I don't think they actually teach kids that Pythagoras was Greek. If you live in my area or watch sitcoms, the mathematical community is largely viewed as Asian. White kids are the jocks.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 25, 2017 11:01:53 GMT -5
"School mathematics curricula emphasizing terms like Pythagorean Theorem and pi perpetuate a perception ....."
I'm not even sure my white privilege bolsters my English LOL
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Post by RichB on Oct 25, 2017 11:09:56 GMT -5
Only white people are allowed to use pi as an irrational number.
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Post by Mamapalooza on Oct 25, 2017 14:42:03 GMT -5
Math is racist. Oh my god, fuck off with the victimology of identity politics already.
Check out cognitive privilege, this is just one facet of it. They've already carved out the humanities, they're coming for the hard sciences now.
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Post by stl on Oct 25, 2017 18:13:59 GMT -5
I just can't even deal. WTF?
Who gets credit for doing and developing math? Um the people who did it and developed it? What difference does their skin color make? Is she trying to say that only whites are capable of doing math?
DS struggled with math in elementary school. His teacher was no help. There were other programs at the school to help with subjects like reading but nothing for math. If minorities do worse on math evaluations than their white counterparts, that's not discrimination. They're taking the same test as everyone else. You can't get any fairer than that. Why not spend the time and energy to develop ways to help everyone struggling with math?
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Post by pk on Oct 25, 2017 20:53:58 GMT -5
Math is racist. Oh my god, fuck off with the victimology of identity politics already. Check out cognitive privilege, this is just one facet of it. They've already carved out the humanities, they're coming for the hard sciences now. This not only made me laugh out loud, it made me sit my ass right down on this bench!
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Oct 25, 2017 21:20:39 GMT -5
This. Is. Stupid.
Is this really not The Onion?
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 26, 2017 7:14:39 GMT -5
Math is racist. Oh my god, fuck off with the victimology of identity politics already. Check out cognitive privilege, this is just one facet of it. They've already carved out the humanities, they're coming for the hard sciences now. This not only made me laugh out loud, it made me sit my ass right down on this bench! Same
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Post by mmeblue on Oct 26, 2017 7:33:39 GMT -5
I'd like to read her entire chapter before drawing conclusions. Plenty of people in math/math ed say, "Hey, there are an awful lot of men in the history of mathematics--let's see how we can encourage women to be involved in math and emphasize the historical contributions women HAVE made." If she's doing the same thing but with race ("Hey, there's an awful lot of whiteness in the history of mathematics..."), I don't see a huge problem with that. It's true that many things in mathematics are named after European guys. It's also true that standardized assessments are not free of bias, even in mathematics--mainly in word problems. The quote below (from a completely different article from 1993, not from this author) isn't about race specifically, but about how a child's environment can affect his or her performance on a math assessment: (source)So, I'm not willing to say based on the Fox News article that this woman is completely whackadoodle. She may well be, but I don't think I have enough info to make that call. As a side note: If something in mathematics has a person's name attached to it, it's a good bet that that person was NOT the one who first developed the idea. The history of mathematics is full of credit-stealing.
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Post by villanelle on Oct 26, 2017 7:36:06 GMT -5
None of my math classes taught me who developed math theories or techniques. It was not "history of math"; it was "how to do things to numbers to make them tell you what you want to know". Race, ethnicity, country of origin, and gender were never brought up. Pi was a number and it represented a ratio of one part of a circle to another part. That has fuck all to do with the people behind those numbers or their discovery, or giving anyone "credit". So it had as little to do with whiteness as being taught that blue was that color in the sky and red was the color of that apple thing and green is the color of trees.
But cool for this prof that she was able to ride the "privilege" bandwagon to get her nonsense not only published, but also talked about outside academia, I guess?
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Post by Peanut on Oct 26, 2017 8:42:42 GMT -5
mmeblue raises a very valid point, and like TtT I will not buy this woman's project in order to know the actual context.
MamaP, be careful what you post! She may be coming for you next!
According to this woman's version of philosophy, has villanelle shown herself to be a skyist, an appleist, and a treeist who discriminates based upon color? The sky can be grey, red, and other colors. Apples come in yellow, green, and other colors. Trees are actually brown for the most part, but the leaves are usually green except in autumn and winter. Don't generalize that trees are green, because that means you are judging a tree based upon the color of its leaves and not the actual color of the tree. This is like judging a ginger or a blonde based on the color of hair. My hair is grey: am I automatically an old person and does that make anyone who presumes so an ageist? (<---that was all tongue in cheek.)
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Post by nansel on Oct 26, 2017 9:00:24 GMT -5
I'd like to read her entire chapter before drawing conclusions. Plenty of people in math/math ed say, "Hey, there are an awful lot of men in the history of mathematics--let's see how we can encourage women to be involved in math and emphasize the historical contributions women HAVE made." If she's doing the same thing but with race ("Hey, there's an awful lot of whiteness in the history of mathematics..."), I don't see a huge problem with that. It's true that many things in mathematics are named after European guys. It's also true that standardized assessments are not free of bias, even in mathematics--mainly in word problems. The quote below (from a completely different article from 1993, not from this author) isn't about race specifically, but about how a child's environment can affect his or her performance on a math assessment: (source)So, I'm not willing to say based on the Fox News article that this woman is completely whackadoodle. She may well be, but I don't think I have enough info to make that call. As a side note: If something in mathematics has a person's name attached to it, it's a good bet that that person was NOT the one who first developed the idea. The history of mathematics is full of credit-stealing. To me, this is all the more reason to drop all the "how do you feel about this number problem" kind of crap that math instruction includes. Teach some friggin' numbers, it doesn't matter how you relate to them, or how you feel about them. Math at the lower levels (pre-advanced degrees) is fundamentals, let's teach them. ETA: I'm not meaning to pick on you, mmblue - I don't know your particular methods. I meant teaching in general.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 26, 2017 9:41:13 GMT -5
But cool for this prof that she was able to ride the "privilege" bandwagon to get her nonsense not only published, but also talked about outside academia, I guess? Seems like it
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Post by maurinsky on Oct 26, 2017 9:58:16 GMT -5
This seems like a reach.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 10:09:45 GMT -5
Only white people are allowed to use pi as an irrational number. You're not thinking rationally!
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