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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 13, 2020 20:38:59 GMT -5
Regarding that CBC article, the British newspaper article to which it links asserts that our prime minister has assured the Queen that Canada would help pay for security costs associated with the Sussexes. However, the article provides no official Canadian government source to back that statement up. There is so much fake news about the royals. I would be surprised if even 5% of what is published about them is true. We have no idea how any of this will shake out because there is so little accurate information. Even the damn BBC can’t be trusted. The Queen made a very supportive statement today, and the press still makes statements that contradict her actual quotes. No wonder the Sussexes are fed up.
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Post by stellarfeller on Jan 13, 2020 21:54:06 GMT -5
Part of the problem, I think, is that many people don’t know how to read a news item critically, and they simply look at a headline and think “ZOMG it must be true”, without bothering to read further.
I read spoilers for the British soap Coronation Street online, and the way some of the media outlets present the spoilers is ludicrous. They take part of a storyline and extrapolate it to ridiculous lengths, and I have no doubt that gullible viewers read these spoilers and believe them just the way they’re presented. For example, a recent Corrie storyline involved a love triangle, and one newspaper’s spoiler went something like “Michelle KILLS VICKY in love triangle revenge horror?” When nothing of the sort happened!
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Post by emmjay on Jan 14, 2020 6:19:30 GMT -5
I think we can argue all day long as to why we think Harry and Meghan have made this decision (racism, Meghan didn't really know what she was getting into, Meghan's end goal was always to get out with money and celebrity, whatever) but at the end of the day that doesn't really matter. If they want to leave then I don't think anyone is saying they should be forced to stay. The expectation that the British taxpayers should have to foot the bill for all of this is the issue. And even if it's £2/person a year, that's £2/person a year that could go towards reducing the NHS funding shortages or any number of programs in the UK whose budgets have been cut. I'm not British so it's not my money but I don't think I'd be happy having my tax dollars go to fly Meghan and her entourage from Canada to the UK for a one hour nursing home visit and back again so she doesn't miss Beyonce and Jay Z's party that night. It will be interesting to see what exactly this "transition" entails, how long it will be, and whether or not they get to keep the Sussex titles. IMO that's the only one she cares about keeping. Also, you Canadians might not be off the hook for the security bill. Sorry. www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-morneau-security-costs-harry-meghan-1.5424988 Again, the profits from the Crown Estate (more than £300 million) go into the Treasury each year, along with everyone’s tax money. The Sovereign Grant (which Harry/Meghan have said they won’t be receiving anymore) is then paid out of the Treasury based on an agreed percentage of the Crown Estate profits. So the monarchy puts in £340 million and then takes out £80 million or whatever it is. It is misleading to say it is coming out of taxpayers’ pockets. The only part that is being directly funded by British taxpayers is their security, and I haven’t seen an estimate for that. .
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Post by emmjay on Jan 18, 2020 13:52:58 GMT -5
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Jan 18, 2020 14:32:15 GMT -5
Are they still allowed to brand as #sussexroyals? If they’re technically not “royal” any more?
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Post by villanelle on Jan 18, 2020 16:02:40 GMT -5
I think it's a nice start, but tht they should give up Sussex as well. Frankly, I think they should have given that one back first. He's prince/HRH by birth, Sussex was only a wedding present.
But they've made that their brand so they can't give it up. And that to me says that they still plan to capitalize on being royalty, while conveniently not being royalty when they don't want to be. (And yes, I'm aware that technically being a Duke makes him a peer, not a royal. But he was gifted the title because he's a royal.)
I think this undoes some of what I disliked about the whole thing, but not all of it.
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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 18, 2020 16:13:35 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they shouldn’t use their brand. They are the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and members of the royal family.
I love that the Queen pointed out that discussions had been going on for months. The press completely fabricated the bit about them surprising the rest of the family.
Prior to the last few years I didn’t pay much attention to the RF, but now I just keep liking Harry and Meghan more and more.
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Post by Peachy on Jan 18, 2020 16:28:55 GMT -5
I adore Harry and Meghan, so I’m glad they didn’t blindside her.
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Post by justthinking on Jan 18, 2020 17:26:44 GMT -5
Is Royal Caribbean really royal?
I am actually impressed they are doing this. It sounds as if it will be healthiest for their family and I will never fault someone for doing what's best for their family.
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Post by villanelle on Jan 18, 2020 18:09:04 GMT -5
Is Royal Caribbean really royal?I am actually impressed they are doing this. It sounds as if it will be healthiest for their family and I will never fault someone for doing what's best for their family. I don't understand what you are getting at here. They are using the Sussex title as the center of their brand, and he is still the Duke of Sussex. I just don't think he should be. Royal Caribbean isn't royal. Harry is. So I don't see how the comparison works.
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Post by villanelle on Jan 18, 2020 18:17:44 GMT -5
I don’t understand why they shouldn’t use their brand. They are the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and members of the royal family.
I love that the Queen pointed out that discussions had been going on for months. The press completely fabricated the bit about them surprising the rest of the family. Prior to the last few years I didn’t pay much attention to the RF, but now I just keep liking Harry and Meghan more and more. Sure, they are. But they want to step back from that (for understandable reasons). But if they don't want to be immersed in that, then using it as their calling card seems a bit hypocritical. If you said you nursing made you miserable and you wanted to step back from it other than working a a free clinic once a month, and that nursing was pretty miserable to you and you wanted to make money independent of nursing, and you were going to do that in part via your new website, ACnurse dot come, I'd think that wouldn't make much sense either. I think they are probably making the best choice for their family. I respect that. I respect what it took to make a big, bold decision rather than going with the status quo--and especially so when they knew the shitstorm they'd like face. That took incredible fortitude, and I'm impressed and I respect it. But it seems to me like if that's what they want, they should let go of all the parts of it they can, instead of keeping the part that is ultimately most profitable for them, but claiming financial independence.
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Post by justthinking on Jan 18, 2020 22:36:15 GMT -5
Curious why some people think they should give back a wedding present because they are choosing to step back from royal duties...
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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 18, 2020 22:39:33 GMT -5
As it happens, I am a nurse regardless of the number of hours I work, just like I am a farmer even though I don’t milk 200 cows. He is Sussex, and they are royal. A line saying they shouldn’t use the word is simply imaginary.
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Post by villanelle on Jan 18, 2020 22:43:37 GMT -5
Curious why some people think they should give back a wedding present because they are choosing to step back from royal duties... Because it's not a crystal decanter. It's a title in a system they claim they don't want to be a part of.
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Post by villanelle on Jan 18, 2020 22:44:55 GMT -5
As it happens, I am a nurse regardless of the number of hours I work, just like I am a farmer even though I don’t milk 200 cows. He is Sussex, and they are royal. A line saying they shouldn’t use the word is simply imaginary. Of course he is. What I've been saying is that he should be. Sussex is removable, far more so than HRH is. Once day he wasn't Sussex, then he was, and it would be just as easy for him not to be again.
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Post by shaena on Jan 18, 2020 22:51:53 GMT -5
He is always an HRH Prince by birth, Duke by gift after marriage. And technically still an HRH. They are voluntarily not using HRH after stepping down.
The big problem is how they are going to be financially independent. And that's why people are wondering about their Sussex Royal brand. Hopefully Megan will not be on QVC selling Suss-EX-Royal tiara's and all will go well during the transitional year. How that goes may tell where the Family goes with the titles...
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Post by stellarfeller on Jan 18, 2020 23:20:41 GMT -5
I heard an immigration lawyer on CBC radio this morning, talking about possible immigration issues that they might face if they want to apply for residency in Canada. This lawyer said that Meghan actually has a better chance of getting permanent residency here as she lived in Toronto for several years while filming Suits, and she clearly has experience and is employable in the performing arts. Harry, OTOH, has no postsecondary education apart from a military academy and no employment experience other than his military service. The lawyer said that Meghan would have a good case for having Harry apply as her dependent 😄
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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 18, 2020 23:27:43 GMT -5
As it happens, I am a nurse regardless of the number of hours I work, just like I am a farmer even though I don’t milk 200 cows. He is Sussex, and they are royal. A line saying they shouldn’t use the word is simply imaginary. Of course he is. What I've been saying is that he should be. Sussex is removable, far more so than HRH is. Once day he wasn't Sussex, then he was, and it would be just as easy for him not to be again. But why? They have never claimed they don’t want to be a part of the royal family. They have never claimed they don’t want to do any royal work. On both counts they have clearly stated the opposite. One has never had to be a full time senior royal in order to be a Duke or Duchess, so why the sudden insistence for them? It is not hypocritical to make and enforce healthy boundaries.
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Post by alicechalmers on Jan 18, 2020 23:30:43 GMT -5
The big problem is how they are going to be financially independent. Why? Is there any indication that their current income will disappear?
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Post by justthinking on Jan 18, 2020 23:34:10 GMT -5
The big problem is how they are going to be financially independent. Why? Is there any indication that their current income will disappear? 95% of their income is an inheritance. They also are both fairly wealthy. I don't think they will have money problems.
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