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Post by Sprockey on Oct 9, 2017 12:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 9, 2017 12:12:01 GMT -5
Any hypocrisy here?
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Post by nansel on Oct 9, 2017 14:21:32 GMT -5
The Pussy Grabber incident was his own words, on tape for everyone to hear.
Sexual harassment allegations that Weinstein is denying are not the same.
Lorne Michaels answer was likely just a flip way of saying no comment.
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 9, 2017 14:35:52 GMT -5
Sexual harassment allegations that Weinstein is denying are not the same. How are they different? There are plenty of women stepping up to confirm the allegations.
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Post by nansel on Oct 9, 2017 16:41:07 GMT -5
Sexual harassment allegations that Weinstein is denying are not the same. How are they different? There are plenty of women stepping up to confirm the allegations. If this whole story was Weinstein on tape saying what he did, it would be the same thing. I’d bet my last dollar that he’s as slimy as can be , to be sure. And he definitely has that in common with the Donald.
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 9, 2017 18:28:55 GMT -5
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Post by Wise Old Goat on Oct 9, 2017 19:25:22 GMT -5
Probably just a timing issue - they probably had the show all mapped out before the story broke? Also - he wasn't running for president so maybe the need to mock wasn't as great?
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Post by nansel on Oct 9, 2017 19:41:24 GMT -5
You mean all those women who went on the record for the New York Times article mean nothing? ? I thought we were talking about why maybe SNL would do/not do something, not my feelings on Weinstein. Those are two very different things as well. I was trying to come up with an idea of why the two cases are dissimilar. They are from different angles - guy puts himself as gross pig vs guy accused of being a gross pig. I think they *are* gross pigs, and I believe the women who have spoken out about them. That has no bearing on SNL.
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 10, 2017 9:43:46 GMT -5
In other words if a pig is caught on video, its more worthy of mocking than if he isn't caught on video.
SNL canned a bad skit. Likely, because Weinstein isn't as well known. That's the difference.
You seem to give Weinstein the benefit of the doubt, you keep repeating "accused". We're passed that point with this guy.
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Post by maurinsky on Oct 10, 2017 9:49:54 GMT -5
Democrats are giving away donations they received from Weinstein to women's shelters and other similar organizations.
Republicans elected their self-admitted sexual assaulter President.
I would wager there are many powerful men from all kinds of political perspectives who have assaulted or harassed women, in all kinds of industries. It's always terrible, no matter who is doing it, and it speaks to how difficult it is for women to speak up when they are the ones who bear the brunt of the complaints afterwards (why didn't they come forward sooner?)
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 10, 2017 10:25:11 GMT -5
Trump doesn't represent all Republicans and Weinstein doesn't represent all Democrats. I am not sure why politics is the focus here.
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Post by nansel on Oct 10, 2017 11:46:04 GMT -5
In other words if a pig is caught on video, its more worthy of mocking than if he isn't caught on video. You seems determined to shove me into a box of your own making. okay No. Accused is what legally he is at this point. “I grab ‘em by the pussy” - an admitted sexual assaulter speaks, therefore he did it, legally. “He sexually harassed me “ - a whole pile of women accusing him. So he’s an accused at this point. Legally. I’ve given my opinion as well, but you keep attributing things to me I have not said.
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Post by villanelle on Oct 11, 2017 1:19:44 GMT -5
Legally, he didn't "do it" until he is convicted. You may favor the evidence more strongly when you hear a taped confession, but no, there is no legal difference because neither has been convicted.
I feel pretty darn confident saying both men have sexually harassed and probably assaulted women. Legally, they are both just "accused", however, so a decision to use the term for one and not the other is personal, not legal. ~~~~
I don't necessarily buy the SNL is hypocritical. They had a skit, it wasn't funny. They are ultimately in the entertainment business. Much like NFL teams make decisions based on marketability, so does SNL. Yes, they sometimes act as a news source, but that just speaks to the pathetic state of our journalism, more than anything else. They don't do a skit every time any man is accused of harassment or assault. I don't recall a story about my boss as a summer camp counselor, for example. Because the larger audience doesn't care, and because it probably wouldn't have been funny. If they felt the same was true for Weinstein as for Camp Boss, they won't do a skit. At this point, it's not like the lack of skit is somehow protecting him. The story is now everywhere (which maybe means a skit would be better received, though maybe not), despite the lack of Saturday Night comedy exposure it got.
But honestly, even if SNL is being hypocritical, it's a private program and they can choose what issues and incidents they address, and what they don't. They don't even purport to be a news program, and plenty of actual news shows participate in selective story-telling.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 11, 2017 20:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 11, 2017 21:18:49 GMT -5
Crazy!
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 11, 2017 23:48:07 GMT -5
Now that late night shows have decided they are our conscience, they need to drop the partisanship.
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Post by villanelle on Oct 12, 2017 1:17:07 GMT -5
Some would argue that a conscience is almost by nature partisan. Most people's political beliefs stem from morals, after all. If I'm being guided by my conscience, I'm not going to talk about the dangers of vaccines and the horrors of abortion. I'm not going to sing the praises of Trump. My conscience demands the opposite of that.
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Post by talon on Oct 12, 2017 5:22:59 GMT -5
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Post by talon on Oct 12, 2017 5:24:49 GMT -5
Trump doesn't represent all Republicans and Weinstein doesn't represent all Democrats. I am not sure why politics is the focus here. I suppose it's because he was a major donor to the Dems and friends with the Clintons and Obamas. People were waiting for both to condemn his actions. Sadly, it took 5 days.
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Post by justthinking on Oct 12, 2017 6:00:56 GMT -5
Weinstein got caught and lost his job. trump got caught and got elected president. Yes, there is a double standard.
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