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Post by Sprockey on Oct 12, 2017 7:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by Kay on Oct 12, 2017 10:20:09 GMT -5
Good. It's about time. I don't think it's necessary to separate the Cub Scouts into boys dens and girls dens. I was a Den leader and there is nothing that Cub Scouts do that can't be done by everyone. Now older Boy Scouts do a lot more camping and over night trips so I can see separating those groups.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 12, 2017 10:28:43 GMT -5
I don't really understand why the girl scouts couldn't modify their model to let the girls achieve the same things the boys can/did?
Not that I have a problem with an inclusive group though it sounds like the dens will still be one gender , so I don't really get the point. LOL
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Post by shaena on Oct 12, 2017 11:03:15 GMT -5
In my experience any troop in either organization is only as good as it's leaders. One troop is never the same as another, even in the same area.
We went through a few girl scout troop finding the right fit through the years. It would have been cool to explore a troop for girls under the boy scout heading as well
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 12, 2017 12:04:35 GMT -5
In other countries there have been just "scouts" since their inception.
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Post by mare on Oct 12, 2017 13:40:56 GMT -5
I just wanna know who is my Thin Mint supplier.
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Post by Mamapalooza on Oct 12, 2017 14:44:33 GMT -5
I don't really understand why the girl scouts couldn't modify their model to let the girls achieve the same things the boys can/did? Not that I have a problem with an inclusive group though it sounds like the dens will still be one gender , so I don't really get the point. LOL I was talking about this with a coworker just this morning, as she is a first-year leader for her daughter's Girl Guide troupe, and she's quite put off with the clique-iness as well as the focus being on cookies sales above all else. I was mentioning that my grandson joined Scouts last fall and that it includes girls, and how much he's enjoyed it. They don't sell stuff or seem as cliquey, they're all about getting outside and experiencing different adventures which is right up his alley. His first week they travelled to Alberta to spend a night at the dinosaur museum. She's now hoping her daughter would rather join Scouts lol. |
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Post by Wise Old Goat on Oct 12, 2017 14:45:36 GMT -5
I didn't realize they couldn't already  . They can here. I agree that the Girl Guides should modify their program to make it more like the Cubs - I did some outdoorsy stuff when I was a GG - but I never got to go tent camping like my brother did. Or learn to tie knots and shit. |
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Post by shaena on Oct 12, 2017 16:13:37 GMT -5
I would attribute cliqueness to the leaders of the particular troop. And that can also happen in boy scouts as well.
When my daughter did scouts she was in 3 different troops and all 3 were very different, based on the moms and the area they were in. The one based in our parochial school was much snootier than the other two, and did a lot of things that cost extra money and rarely involved anything too hands on. Next was a pretty well rounded troop which was very into going camping and tons of field trips, and the last was comprised of many lower income girls, and we did a ton of non sanctioned fundraising like yard sales which we turned into learning to run a small business so the girls could purchase their vests and patches that they would not be able to afford otherwise. They camped a lot as well.
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Post by nansel on Oct 12, 2017 19:56:15 GMT -5
I didn't realize they couldn't already . They can here. I agree that the Girl Guides should modify their program to make it more like the Cubs - I did some outdoorsy stuff when I was a GG - but I never got to go tent camping like my brother did. Or learn to tie knots and shit. Like others have said, I think a lot depends on the leaders. I learned how to tie knots hanging around my sisters Girl Guides meetings that my mom lead, when I was 5 or so, and they went camping. I also didn't realize that the scouts in the US were so segregated. There were a number of girls in the Beavers group that met before my dd's Sparks' (I think those are called Daisies in the US?) meetings. And that was over 15 years ago. My dd's Sparks leaders were ridiculously amazing. Then she moved up into Brownies, and those leaders were cliquey and just sucked so she quit. |
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Post by marianparoo on Oct 14, 2017 1:55:07 GMT -5
Our scouts have always been coed [yawn]
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 14, 2017 9:57:56 GMT -5
Around here the boy scouts sell overpriced popcorn.
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Post by shaena on Oct 14, 2017 10:12:11 GMT -5
Around here the boy scouts sell overpriced popcorn. I have the peanut butter cup in my house, pricey yet delicious! |
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Post by realcranky on Oct 14, 2017 17:10:30 GMT -5
That popcorn is delicious.
In Scouts, so much depends on the leaders, and it is so, so hard to find people willing to be leaders.
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Post by Inky on Oct 14, 2017 18:28:12 GMT -5
That popcorn is delicious. In Scouts, so much depends on the leaders, and it is so, so hard to find people willing to be leaders. I think that opening it up to girls may result in more women coming in as leaders with their daughters. |
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 14, 2017 19:45:43 GMT -5
Boy Scouts are for boys, not girls Boy Scouts should stay all boy; similarly, the Girl Scouts should stay all girl. This is not an equal access issue — like letting women vote, or females in the work force, or girls playing Little League baseball with the boys. This is a cave to politically correct and social activist reasons, a dismissal of the very fact that God made males different from females. The scouting experience is not so much physical as it is moral and even spiritual. Look here: Women should be allowed to join whatever ranks of military service they want — provided the standards aren’t changed to accommodate physical limitations. Women should be allowed to play major league baseball — provided they’re able to compete with male players and win. Women should be allowed to serve as firefighters — provided they’re able to perform the same lifesaving functions of the position as men. See where this is going? The merging of girls into boys’ scouting activities has nothing to do with reinforcing the idea that girls are equally able to scout, so should therefore be provided the BSA experience. It’s not about showing that girls are up to the physical BSA tasks. Rather, the opening of BSA doors to girls is a degradation of the idea that boys and girls are born with different minds, different bodies, different roles — and that such differences are ordained by God. It’s a degradation of a truth that’s been long resisted by the far left. The BSA is aimed at instilling moral codes in impressionable, youthful males. Part of that moral compass is how to think, act, behave, serve, mature as a proper young male in a most secular society. Duty to God and country,” is part and parcel of the BSA oath, a recognition of its mission to instill traditional moral values. Well, secularists, LGBTQ activists, radical feminists and leftists don’t like to admit there is a difference between the two sexes — or, nowadays, even that there are only two sexes m.washingtontimes.com/ |
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Oct 14, 2017 20:36:24 GMT -5
I hated Girl Scouts coz all we did was arts and crafts projects and sell cookies.
My brother in Boy Scouts got to go camping and shoot bows and arrows and hike outside. I would've def joined that group as a kid if given a chance!
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Post by Inky on Oct 15, 2017 18:36:06 GMT -5
I really think one of the factors in inviting females into Scouts was to get the women in as leaders. I know the Cubs/Beaves/Scouts when DS was little were always desparate for leaders. The men didn't have time I guess.
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Post by lizziebeth on Oct 15, 2017 20:09:39 GMT -5
I hated Girl Scouts coz all we did was arts and crafts projects and sell cookies. My brother in Boy Scouts got to go camping and shoot bows and arrows and hike outside. I would've def joined that group as a kid if given a chance! Yep. My dad was my brother's scoutmaster so I always had to go to their meetings, they did way better stuff. I always ended up doing all the requirements and getting bupkis because I couldn't join. When my Girl Scout troop camped, it was in a regular building, with electrical, kitchen, etc. Not so much adventure or self-reliance. More like a slumber party. Which is totally fine for a lot of girls but so boring to plenty others. |
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Post by realcranky on Oct 16, 2017 6:11:24 GMT -5
That popcorn is delicious. In Scouts, so much depends on the leaders, and it is so, so hard to find people willing to be leaders. I think that opening it up to girls may result in more women coming in as leaders with their daughters. But it's crazy hard to find Girl Scout leaders already. A couple of girls in my class have been in a troop for a long time, and they never did anything outdoorsy because the mom who was the leader didn't like that stuff. Now they're trying to regroup, because as they've gotten older other kids have dropped out, and it's really hard for them to find adults willing to lead. (I believe that my co-teacher has been sucked into this!) |
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. They can here. I agree that the Girl Guides should modify their program to make it more like the Cubs - I did some outdoorsy stuff when I was a GG - but I never got to go tent camping like my brother did. Or learn to tie knots and shit. 
