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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 2, 2017 9:36:23 GMT -5
Going after firing rate is a legal hellhole because it impacts almost everything but hunting rifles and maybe shotguns. I thought trigger modifications were illegal but again as long as it doesn’t convert the rifle to fully automatic it’s legal. www.thetrace.org/2015/11/ar-15-bump-fire-legal/www.slidefire.comNow somebody is releasing a freaking “power glove” gizmodo.com/this-trigger-happy-glove-lets-you-simulate-machine-gun-1797434487Politicians generally do not go after firing rates so they go after easy stuff like magazine capacities. Rifles are hard to conceal which is why criminals prefer handguns. Mass murderers don’t care about getting away with murder it’s usually a one way trip for them. Also I can’t find any sources that show mass murders using trigger firing mods which is probably why they are still mostly legal except in the usual places like California
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Post by mare on Oct 2, 2017 10:29:34 GMT -5
DH says it's easy to modify a semi automatic to be fully automatic. I don't think mass murders care about legality.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 2, 2017 10:31:18 GMT -5
Update from my friend:
I am worried sick. Just watched the video and I shouldn't have *cry*
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 2, 2017 10:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by beccaphel on Oct 2, 2017 10:53:05 GMT -5
So awful...
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Post by mare on Oct 2, 2017 10:59:34 GMT -5
Sprocky, I'm glad your friends are OK. I cannot imagine.
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Post by jen on Oct 2, 2017 11:02:53 GMT -5
This world breaks my heart
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Post by Truffles on Oct 2, 2017 11:06:46 GMT -5
Terrible! Yesterday I woke up to hearing about the terrorist attack in Edmonton. Today this. My heart is heavy.
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Post by stellarfeller on Oct 2, 2017 11:10:17 GMT -5
When hate-filled people have easy access to guns, nobody should be surprised that these mass murders continue to happen.
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Post by maurinsky on Oct 2, 2017 11:22:43 GMT -5
There was another multiple shooting already - in Lawrence, KS. Only 5 people, though, under a 10th of the number killed in Las Vegas, so probably won't make the news outside of Kansas.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 2, 2017 12:04:12 GMT -5
Please don't tell me that "legislation won't help". The right kind can CAN help, a LOT. The guy killed 50+ people and then killed himself. I am curious which legislation would have deterred him from doing that? He gave zero effs about any consequences.
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Post by marianparoo on Oct 2, 2017 12:06:38 GMT -5
I always have to explain these things at work
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Post by maurinsky on Oct 2, 2017 12:16:52 GMT -5
The 2nd amendment has really lost all meaning, though. Do gun owners really think that they can stop a tyrannical government with their weapons? Have you seen the power of our military?
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 2, 2017 12:22:34 GMT -5
The 2nd amendment has really lost all meaning, though. Do gun owners really think that they can stop a tyrannical government with their weapons? Have you seen the power of our military? People do it all over the world. Insurgents forced the US to change tactics in Iraq. So are you proposing giving up firearms?
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Post by alicechalmers on Oct 2, 2017 12:27:30 GMT -5
The government *can* take away just about all of our rights. That's the point of keeping them.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 2, 2017 12:29:30 GMT -5
Please don't tell me that "legislation won't help". The right kind can CAN help, a LOT. The guy killed 50+ people and then killed himself. I am curious which legislation would have deterred him from doing that? He gave zero effs about any consequences. People are dancing around the facts. Quit with the “sensible legislation” nonsense and just admit the banning of all firearms is the true answer, one nobody wants to admit. Strong anti gun ownership in Europe is why terrorists are forced to run over people with trucks and cars. Which again shines the light on the fact that if you use terrorism as your basis for laws since you can’t really ban terrorism, your laws are ineffective against terrorists. So we have social media full of “we need to do something” yet very little in the way of “what we need to do”. Now I am not saying “well at least running people over people is better than being shot” what I am saying laws should be about the motive not the weapon because suicidal terrorists are completely different than inner city drug wars, laws might have an effect on the inner city violence since those people actually want to survive to make money off their drug sales
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Post by alicechalmers on Oct 2, 2017 12:38:08 GMT -5
A-freaking-men, tpatt. The truth is that a lot of people want to ban guns, period. But they don't want to SAY they want to ban guns. Rural and conservative people know damn well what is being proposed, which is why they fight it.
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Post by Lor on Oct 2, 2017 12:41:36 GMT -5
The guy killed 50+ people and then killed himself. I am curious which legislation would have deterred him from doing that? He gave zero effs about any consequences. People are dancing around the facts. Quit with the “sensible legislation” nonsense and just admit the banning of all firearms is the true answer, one nobody wants to admit. I don't think it's an either or proposition though. In Canada we have access to guns but not the same type of weapons available in the States. I come from a family of farmers and hunters and I don't think guns are evil but at the same time the guns I grew up with could never kill so many people at once, isn't it reasonable to crack down on the capabilities of weapons that are available to the general public? From everything being reported about this horrific situation there were no red flags about this guy, I don't see how there's any way to legislate people not going off of the deep end.
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Post by maurinsky on Oct 2, 2017 12:51:37 GMT -5
Lor, I agree with you.
So, I would challenge gun owners - what would sensible legislation look like? Because right now, you're saying that you are okay with the way things are right now, and I think that's appalling.
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Post by alicechalmers on Oct 2, 2017 12:54:27 GMT -5
Then be appalled. I don't trust the government to regulate guns. I am absolutely not okay with the Australian model of having to justify my gun ownership to the government. That is tyranny.
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