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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 4, 2017 9:25:22 GMT -5
The point is people should know what they are talking about before they start trying to ban them. Politicians don’t want that, then they would get caught passing laws full of loopholes and then people wonder why something is still available
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Post by stellarfeller on Oct 4, 2017 11:37:31 GMT -5
This is a good column, with good suggestions...I wonder how likely it is that any of them, or similar ideas, will be implemented, with the current polarized state of American politics?
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Post by alicechalmers on Oct 4, 2017 14:06:58 GMT -5
An AR-15 is not a machine gun. Yeah, because that makes so much difference when it’s used to kill people. Any gun can be used to kill people. Which ones do you want to ban? Because an AR-15 is not functionally different from most deer hunting rifles. The real goal is not to protect people - it's to ban guns because they don't meet the ideal liberal lifestyle.
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Post by Lor on Oct 5, 2017 8:46:45 GMT -5
Yeah, because that makes so much difference when it’s used to kill people. Any gun can be used to kill people. Which ones do you want to ban? Because an AR-15 is not functionally different from most deer hunting rifles. The real goal is not to protect people - it's to ban guns because they don't meet the ideal liberal lifestyle. I don't think that's true for everyone though. I personally have no say in this matter since I'm not an American citizen but I personally have no issue with safe gun ownership, I grew up around guns and inherited a few shotguns and a rifle when my father passed away. I chose to leave them in the care of a relative that will properly care for them, put them to good use and prevent me from having to worry about storing them safely - I don't think anyone should confiscate my 306 because some dude shot at thousands of people in Las Vegas but I also don't think the answer is to do nothing. It seems like there has to be a middle ground or a refocus on security to deal with this reality. There has to be something and I believe that a lot of the anger around this issue is sheer frustration and the feeling of helplessness each time this happens.
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Post by alicechalmers on Oct 5, 2017 8:51:30 GMT -5
There are plenty of individuals who believe that gun control will lead to safety. The movement as a whole? Is not about safety, any more than 70% of the USDA regulations have anything to do with food safety. That's just not how it works.
Look at all the comments (everywhere, not here) of "why would anyone need 50 guns?" That's pure lifestyle judgment and condescension.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 5, 2017 8:53:44 GMT -5
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Post by mare on Oct 5, 2017 9:00:04 GMT -5
One of my co-worker's friends attended the festival. She is the girl in the white sundress sitting on a curb. The picture was all over the internet yesterday. She got separated from her boyfriend. Luckily both are OK.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 5, 2017 9:15:08 GMT -5
At our security meeting this morning somebody pointed out that event holders need training on how/when to announce an evacuation of an event. It should be used for anything like natural disasters/chemicals in the air, etc.
I guess at this event security just got the musician(?) off the stage to safety and nobody said anything to the audience
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Post by Lor on Oct 5, 2017 9:19:42 GMT -5
At our security meeting this morning somebody pointed out that even holders need training on how/when to announce an evacuation of an event. It should be used for anything like natural disasters/chemicals in the air, etc. I guess at this event security just got the musician(?) off the stage to safety and nobody said anything to the audience This is definitely something that should be explored further, many schools have evacuation and violent intruder training so maybe it's time to implement different procedures at gatherings with a large number of people. I saw a video from a police body cam & the cops were telling people to run and the people were arguing with the cops and telling them it was just fireworks, I think most people wouldn't automatically assume that there is a mass shooting going on but still...if the police are crouched down with their guns out telling me to run I'm not going to stand around and argue with them!
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Post by alicechalmers on Oct 5, 2017 9:22:59 GMT -5
Right?!?
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Post by Lor on Oct 5, 2017 9:25:45 GMT -5
I hate running, I always tell people that if they see me running something terrible must be happening and they should follow suit :
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 5, 2017 12:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by andrea on Oct 5, 2017 18:15:44 GMT -5
I think this guy just wanted to kill a lot of people.
Perhaps he's had this fantasy for a long time, kept it in check but something made him decide now is the time to act.
Psychopaths walk among us.
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 5, 2017 20:06:48 GMT -5
We need to change our culture, not just our laws. What about "our culture" do we need to change? If an Islamic terrorist doesn't define Islam, why does an American terrorist define American culture?
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Post by TapToTalk on Oct 5, 2017 20:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by villanelle on Oct 6, 2017 0:14:40 GMT -5
We need to change our culture, not just our laws. What about "our culture" do we need to change? If an Islamic terrorist doesn't define Islam, why does an American terrorist define American culture? We don't need to change anything if we are fine with the status quo. Are you? Are these incidents just the price of the freedoms we hold so dear, and a price therefore worth paying?
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Post by emmjay on Oct 6, 2017 0:48:37 GMT -5
We need to change our culture, not just our laws. What about "our culture" do we need to change? If an Islamic terrorist doesn't define Islam, why does an American terrorist define American culture? We could go back to pre-1970s American "gun culture" (a few years old but worth a read): www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856I don't think we will, but I find it interesting that this huge shift in the mentality around guns happened in such a relatively short time. My mother (lifelong Republican) has talked about it before, how much it has changed in her lifetime.
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 6, 2017 7:46:05 GMT -5
Great discussion, everyone!
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Post by Sprockey on Oct 6, 2017 7:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by Tpatt100 on Oct 6, 2017 8:15:18 GMT -5
Mass shootings are acts of terrorism, classify them as such and use the expanded powers under the Patriot Act to find ways to prevent them.
It’s going to cause an outcry over privacy but at least the government can say they are doing something.
The gun control side will say it’s not enough but preventing mass shootings isn’t their true intent anyways at least for some of them
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