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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 13:43:23 GMT -5
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 13:45:00 GMT -5
Like when the media cons the public with anonymous second-hand sources?
You don't need to rely on the media to realize how inept and stupid Trump is. Just read his stupid Tweets or listen to an unscripted interview.
Good thing we don't need to rely on the media, because they seem far more inept and stupid than Trump.
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 13:46:09 GMT -5
Yeah, important to note that it isn’t a verbatim transcript. It’s a summary that was crafted by the WH. I am so sick of these assholes.
Don't you think that it's even more important to note that the so-called whistleblower wasn't actually privy to the call in the first place? Seems kind of, you know, important.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Sept 25, 2019 13:58:00 GMT -5
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Post by mare on Sept 25, 2019 14:01:11 GMT -5
You don't need to rely on the media to realize how inept and stupid Trump is. Just read his stupid Tweets or listen to an unscripted interview.
Good thing we don't need to rely on the media, because they seem far more inept and stupid than Trump.
😂 Seriously...I don't get the defense of this man at any cost. To type the sentence you just did is incredible.
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Post by mare on Sept 25, 2019 14:03:14 GMT -5
Yeah, important to note that it isn’t a verbatim transcript. It’s a summary that was crafted by the WH. I am so sick of these assholes.
Don't you think that it's even more important to note that the so-called whistleblower wasn't actually privy to the call in the first place? Seems kind of, you know, important.
Why don't we read it first before making any judgements? Sounds like the Whistleblower was trying to do the right thing.
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Post by emmjay on Sept 25, 2019 14:03:23 GMT -5
You don't need to rely on the media to realize how inept and stupid Trump is. Just read his stupid Tweets or listen to an unscripted interview.
Good thing we don't need to rely on the media, because they seem far more inept and stupid than Trump.
Sure, Rich. Trump is great. It’s all the media. Hilarious.
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Post by Tpatt100 on Sept 25, 2019 14:11:26 GMT -5
As usual Trump forgets he’s the president of the United States and has no problem shitting on his fellow Americans in order to suck up to foreign leaders.....it’s like the guy has absolutely no managerial skills or business sense. It’s all about protecting his ego first everybody else doesn’t matter. www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#download
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Post by stellarfeller on Sept 25, 2019 14:25:23 GMT -5
As usual Trump forgets he’s the president of the United States and has no problem shitting on his fellow Americans in order to suck up to foreign leaders.....it’s like the guy has absolutely no managerial skills or business sense. Well, how many businesses has he run into the ground? 😄
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 14:31:09 GMT -5
If you're trying to make a point, I'm not seeing how it relates to anything being said here.
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 14:33:03 GMT -5
Good thing we don't need to rely on the media, because they seem far more inept and stupid than Trump.
😂 Seriously...I don't get the defense of this man at any cost. To type the sentence you just did is incredible.
Trump will only be President for another 6 years. The media has an important role and will be around for decades or hopefully even centuries. It's important to Democracy that we have decent reporting, unless you think Pravda was the way to go.
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 14:36:00 GMT -5
Don't you think that it's even more important to note that the so-called whistleblower wasn't actually privy to the call in the first place? Seems kind of, you know, important.
Why don't we read it first before making any judgements? Sounds like the Whistleblower was trying to do the right thing.
I just find it ironic that so many people are willing to just accept whatever the whistleblower says as fact when they weren't even there, but those same people are skeptical of the memo about the call that was written by people who were there. That seems to be an incredibly lacking display of critical thinking to me to believe second-hand witnesses over a first-hand account.
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Post by Sprockey on Sept 25, 2019 14:40:12 GMT -5
Acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign if he couldn’t speak freely before Congress www.washingtonpost.com/The acting Director of National Intelligence who threatened to resign if asked to stonewall Congress will be transmitting the full whistleblower complaint to Congress *today*
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Post by mare on Sept 25, 2019 14:42:15 GMT -5
😂 Seriously...I don't get the defense of this man at any cost. To type the sentence you just did is incredible.
Trump will only be President for another 6 years. The media has an important role and will be around for decades or hopefully even centuries. It's important to Democracy that we have decent reporting, unless you think Pravda was the way to go.
Really? LOL Seriously, Rich, I thought you were smarter than this.
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Post by Sprockey on Sept 25, 2019 14:44:19 GMT -5
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 14:47:19 GMT -5
Acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign if he couldn’t speak freely before Congress www.washingtonpost.com/The acting Director of National Intelligence who threatened to resign if asked to stonewall Congress will be transmitting the full whistleblower complaint to Congress *today*
Did you actually read your link?
Maguire denied that he had done so. In a statement, Maguire said that “at no time have I considered resigning my position since assuming this role on Aug. 16, 2019. I have never quit anything in my life, and I am not going to start now. I am committed to leading the Intelligence Community to address the diverse and complex threats facing our nation.”
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Post by Tpatt100 on Sept 25, 2019 14:47:33 GMT -5
Acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign if he couldn’t speak freely before Congress www.washingtonpost.com/The acting Director of National Intelligence who threatened to resign if asked to stonewall Congress will be transmitting the full whistleblower complaint to Congress *today* Ok I’m confused because a couple of paragraphs down it says
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Post by RichB on Sept 25, 2019 14:48:18 GMT -5
Trump will only be President for another 6 years. The media has an important role and will be around for decades or hopefully even centuries. It's important to Democracy that we have decent reporting, unless you think Pravda was the way to go.
Really? LOL Seriously, Rich, I thought you were smarter than this.
So you disagree that having decent reporting is actually an important role in our democratic system of government?
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Post by mare on Sept 25, 2019 14:48:48 GMT -5
Why don't we read it first before making any judgements? Sounds like the Whistleblower was trying to do the right thing.
I just find it ironic that so many people are willing to just accept whatever the whistleblower says as fact when they weren't even there, but those same people are skeptical of the memo about the call that was written by people who were there. That seems to be an incredibly lacking display of critical thinking to me to believe second-hand witnesses over a first-hand account.
First of all, everyone should want to know what the whistleblower report says. Maybe then we can decide what we think of it. Second, the report of the call is the WH's version, which has a vested interest in not making Trump look bad. It was 30 minute call. The notes were not 30 minutes of conversational detail. Imagine if you will this was the Hillary White House...you'd be OK with a Cliff Notes version of a call when the nature of the call sparked impeachment inquiries?
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Post by Sprockey on Sept 25, 2019 14:49:39 GMT -5
The Ukraine call 'transcript' is pretty darn close to a smoking gun1. Trump, after congratulating Zelensky on his win, very quickly establishes that the United States has been very, very good to Ukraine. "I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are." 2. He then makes clear that the US does a lot more for Ukraine than Ukraine does for the US. "I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very, very good to Ukraine." 3. Trump directly asks Zelensky to investigate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter."There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me." 4. He suggests that Zelensky should talk to his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and Attorney General Bill Barr."I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it." 5. And then Trump reiterates that suggestion"I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call." So, in sum: The President of the United States tells a foreign leader that we do a lot for his country and his country hasn't done enough for us. Then he says that it would be super nice if Ukraine looked into allegations -- debunked by all independent fact checkers and there is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden, it's worth noting -- that his main rival in the 2020 race did some unethical things in the country. Because, he asserts, it sounds "horrible" to him. And then reiterates -- several times! -- that the Ukrainian president needs to talk to his personal lawyer and his administration's attorney general about all of this.
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