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Post by Tpatt100 on Apr 17, 2020 12:13:46 GMT -5
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Post by villanelle on Apr 17, 2020 13:54:11 GMT -5
Hmm. There are all sorts of disordered ways of eating and managing weight. Obesity, in many ways, isn't different than under-eating, anorexia, hypergymnastic, etc. Yet you seem to assume the latter should be punished and is fixable. I'm surprised.
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Post by villanelle on Apr 17, 2020 18:59:03 GMT -5
There are many types of disordered eating, not just those that lead to obesity. Anorexia, bulimia, hypergymnasia, etc. Should we punish all those others as well, given that they are at least as damaging to health?
For that matter, cosmetic surgery and procedures are *entirely* avoidable and they can cause easily preventable health problems when there are complications. Much more so than obesity. I assume we need to outlaw those as well, right?
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Post by RobinAnn on Apr 18, 2020 9:28:59 GMT -5
This reminds me of the age-old "buying birthday cake mix with food stamps arguments" we did 10 years ago.
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 9:34:14 GMT -5
There are many types of disordered eating, not just those that lead to obesity. Anorexia, bulimia, hypergymnasia, etc. Should we punish all those others as well, given that they are at least as damaging to health? For that matter, cosmetic surgery and procedures are *entirely* avoidable and they can cause easily preventable health problems when there are complications. Much more so than obesity. I assume we need to outlaw those as well, right? Ive never seen any data to say that cosmetic procedures kill 300,000 people a year. Also usually they are not covered procedures and are paid out of pocket so, they’re not really creating any financial burden. Do you have any data or studies to show that cosmetic procedures kill a lot of people? Because If not that’s kind of just a silly argument. Additionally, actual data shows increases in self esteem and appearance satisfaction post cosmetic treatment for the vast majority of cosmetic patients. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21866003/ Are you aware of any studies showing that obesity increases quality of life or self esteem in patients? Because I’d not it’s an even sillier comparison.
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 9:35:04 GMT -5
There are many types of disordered eating, not just those that lead to obesity. Anorexia, bulimia, hypergymnasia, etc. Should we punish all those others as well, given that they are at least as damaging to health? For that matter, cosmetic surgery and procedures are *entirely* avoidable and they can cause easily preventable health problems when there are complications. Much more so than obesity. I assume we need to outlaw those as well, right? Maybe we should. I’m not sure how many deaths other eating disorders cause. Maybe you can find some data on that 😊
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 9:35:41 GMT -5
This reminds me of the age-old "buying birthday cake mix with food stamps arguments" we did 10 years ago. The government wants to save every life possible. Why should it contribute to the leading cause I’d death in this country?
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 9:37:51 GMT -5
There are many types of disordered eating, not just those that lead to obesity. Anorexia, bulimia, hypergymnasia, etc. Should we punish all those others as well, given that they are at least as damaging to health? For that matter, cosmetic surgery and procedures are *entirely* avoidable and they can cause easily preventable health problems when there are complications. Much more so than obesity. I assume we need to outlaw those as well, right? According to this there were 42 deaths from cosmetic procedures. Maybe the government can address the 300,000 deaths from obesity and then get into the 42 deaths from cosmetics. I mean, it seems much more intelligent to attack the big problem first, priority wise. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29649062/Being obese makes a person much more likely to die from coronavirus. Also much more likely to die from heart disease and diabetes (which also increase risk of severe complications from coronavirus.) Even the WHO has declared obesity a pandemic for years. A pandemic that kills hundreds of thousands of humans every year, and yet the government has given really no input or action to control the pandemic. www.who.int/nutrition/topics/obesity/en/
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Post by RobinAnn on Apr 18, 2020 9:39:13 GMT -5
Please don't argue with my observation from before your time here. It is not debatable. Are you going to argue with all my memories?
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 9:42:01 GMT -5
Please don't argue with my observation from before your time here. It is not debatable. Are you going to argue with all my memories? I simply stated that maybe the government shouldn’t pay for things that hurt people. I don’t know nor care what your memory of a debate was. Maybe we should reopen that debate if it is still available on the board. I’d like to participate in it. It’s really not a dissimilar argument than the anti-abortion funding argument. People against abortion feel that their government dollars shouldn’t contribute to what they feel is hurting a person. Others have debate on whether or not an embryo/fetus is a person. But it’s essentially the same argument.
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Post by shaena on Apr 18, 2020 10:51:22 GMT -5
I find it amusing some of the loudest people wanting to open up the country are those who are the loudest against abortion.
With that though, if you are going to tell people they cannot exercise their god given right as a 'mericans to visit their properties and hang out in public, you sure as hell are not going to take their twinkies!
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Post by alicechalmers on Apr 18, 2020 11:04:24 GMT -5
This reminds me of the age-old "buying birthday cake mix with food stamps arguments" we did 10 years ago. The government wants to save every life possible. Why should it contribute to the leading cause I’d death in this country? That’s not the government’s goal. This whole argument is a misdirection of anger and frustration. You’re allowed to be worried about the future. Getting wound up about red herrings won’t help.
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Post by stellarfeller on Apr 18, 2020 11:53:19 GMT -5
This reminds me of the age-old "buying birthday cake mix with food stamps arguments" we did 10 years ago. Wasn’t that somehow tied up with the argument about cooking classes? Which, IMO, was not that bad an idea 🤷🏽♀️
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 12:11:10 GMT -5
I find it amusing some of the loudest people wanting to open up the country are those who are the loudest against abortion. With that though, if you are going to tell people they cannot exercise their god given right as a 'mericans to visit their properties and hang out in public, you sure as hell are not going to take their twinkies! I guess my point is that government overreach is a slippery slope.
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Post by alicechalmers on Apr 18, 2020 13:13:43 GMT -5
It’s very frightening, but government intervention in infectious disease has loads of precedent, This really isn’t new.
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Post by villanelle on Apr 18, 2020 14:27:11 GMT -5
So you are cool with allowing unlicensed people to practice dentistry, then? The government has no business trying to prevent people from doing things that may hurt or kill themselves?
Nevermind, of course, the fact that obesity and having a root canal performed in someone's basement only kill oneself, while our current situation puts others in danger as well.
Also, if I recall correctly (and maybe I don't) you've been vocal about legalizing marijuana in your state. But isn't keeping it illegal "government overreach"? Or is that overreach okay because it has ripple effects you don't care for to remove it?
Look, you are stressed and upset, and you think life is shut right now and some bad things are happening. And you disagree with the response. You aren't alone in any of those things.
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 16:47:01 GMT -5
So you are cool with allowing unlicensed people to practice dentistry, then? The government has no business trying to prevent people from doing things that may hurt or kill themselves? Nevermind, of course, the fact that obesity and having a root canal performed in someone's basement only kill oneself, while our current situation puts others in danger as well. Also, if I recall correctly (and maybe I don't) you've been vocal about legalizing marijuana in your state. But isn't keeping it illegal "government overreach"? Or is that overreach okay because it has ripple effects you don't care for to remove it? Look, you are stressed and upset, and you think life is shut right now and some bad things are happening. And you disagree with the response. You aren't alone in any of those things. If people wanna go to a basement dentist, or basement tattoo parlor, or whatever, they will reap the consequences of that all on their own. I think marijuana legalization is a great thing in my state. I’m not a user of the substance but I don’t really have any issue with it whatsoever, other than it makes people lazy, but If wine is legal so too should weed. I think the government should take care of roads, provide for education of young people and have an army/military, and some well trained, honest policemen. Otherwise I think Government is (in general) bloated, corrupt, inefficient and incapable. 🤷♀️ Most things the government is in charge of are a giant bureaucratic clusterfuck... But most libertarians believe that, I’m not the only one. I’m frustrated like everyone else. I’m also as entitled to my opinion as everyone else. 🤷♀️
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Post by Peachy on Apr 18, 2020 17:18:52 GMT -5
🤷🏼♀️
Is this the new FU smiley?
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Post by GiftOfFlavor on Apr 18, 2020 17:24:07 GMT -5
🤷🏼♀️ Is this the new FU smiley? No. It’s just the shrug. Do smilies work still?
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Post by villanelle on Apr 18, 2020 19:08:19 GMT -5
So you are cool with allowing unlicensed people to practice dentistry, then? The government has no business trying to prevent people from doing things that may hurt or kill themselves? Nevermind, of course, the fact that obesity and having a root canal performed in someone's basement only kill oneself, while our current situation puts others in danger as well. Also, if I recall correctly (and maybe I don't) you've been vocal about legalizing marijuana in your state. But isn't keeping it illegal "government overreach"? Or is that overreach okay because it has ripple effects you don't care for to remove it? Look, you are stressed and upset, and you think life is shut right now and some bad things are happening. And you disagree with the response. You aren't alone in any of those things. If people wanna go to a basement dentist, or basement tattoo parlor, or whatever, they will reap the consequences of that all on their own. I think marijuana legalization is a great thing in my state. I’m not a user of the substance but I don’t really have any issue with it whatsoever, other than it makes people lazy, but If wine is legal so too should weed. I think the government should take care of roads, provide for education of young people and have an army/military, and some well trained, honest policemen. Otherwise I think Government is (in general) bloated, corrupt, inefficient and incapable. 🤷♀️ Most things the government is in charge of are a giant bureaucratic clusterfuck... But most libertarians believe that, I’m not the only one. I’m frustrated like everyone else. I’m also as entitled to my opinion as everyone else. 🤷♀️ And no one here has claimed otherwise (that it's okay to be all three). Or that you aren't entitled to your opinion. That's an asinine strawman. In my opinion.
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